save gas +mpg with propane lpg hydrogen cng or ethanol Start Price - Current Price - Time Left - Bid Count 0 Buy It Now Price - Reserve Price - Start Time Saturday, September 06, 2008 End Time Wednesday, November 05, 2008 Location Hacienda Heights, CA See more about 'save gas +mpg with propane lpg hydrogen cng or ethanol' Description Gas Injection Management Products 4 Do-It-Yourselfers Gas Injection Management Products 4 Do-It-Yourselfer's (GIMP4DIY) Everybody is trying to get in on the Fuel cost product market, but I've been doing this since 1973 This is a COMPLETE CNG, LPG or Ethanol Fueling "KIT" including Injectors and Oxygen sensor - no fueling lines or tanks however This is an eBay classified ad for a specialty Alternative Fueling service.  Just like transmissions all are different for certain vehicles - the ECM especially is too.  Read this through and use the link at the bottom to contact us.  Please don't just start asking stupid questions that are already answered by simply READING this all the way through. It's here and ready to be vended to those who are smart enough to know what this means  -  our OEM ECM that let's you run any fuel you want - LEGALLY.  Vehicle "Conversions" and "Conversion Kits" are unlawful unless EPA or CARB approved, HOWEVER, supplemental fueling system additions ARE lawful so long as they comply with law and do not worsen the emissions and work "seamlessly" with the OEM OBD system as this one does.  This is a very important distinction that allows this to be a lawful  implementation without CARB or EPA approval so long as it is inspected and found to comply with that above after installation and certified to operate again on the road.  In California this called the "referee" program and it makes your vehicle then lawful.  This product was designed to be marketed to meet OEM manufacturer and conversion standards, and if Prop10 in California passes in the November elections, this system will qualify you for a direct compensation rebate from the State of California to install it and alternatively fuel on a cleaner fuel.  It will qualify you now for several tax credits under Federal and State law in various states.  It will work on Stationary or vehicle or mobile engines both gas and diesel.  It will - however HAVE to be installed according to our STRICT installation directions for YOUR specific application, and fueling scenario This item is even available in a version that can INCLUDE built in, a 120 AMP DC PWM Hydrogen Generator controller. It can be configured to allow a Hydrogen Generator to be powered without loading down the vehicles' electrical system - up to 120 AMP continuous regulated DC draw.  (Of course duh - you'll need a larger Alternator system usually but we have those too)   We recommend our 0-500 amp digital DC ammeter readout. (not included but available)  In essence this is a Hydrogen fuel injection system brand NEW ECM for engines.  You can use any fuel and it can be made to work on almost ANY fuel injected - or upgraded to fuel injection - engine out there.  It's about 8 x 6 x 3 inches. The real value of this ad is the specialty setup service being sold.  You get included for this price: *   A NEW turbo or supercharger capable equipped ECM set up for your vehicle with a NEW GM 3 bar map sensor. (this one offered is for almost all GM throttle body injection - two plug ECM - equipped vehicles) *   A NEW specially controlled Oxygen sensor set up to be compatible to your existing ECM and ours that replaces your existing Oxygen sensor  (replacing dual exhaust twin front sensors is additional) *   A special wiring harness to hook up the two ECMs' in a switchable dual ecm mode.  (Extended location harness available is extra) *   Two NEW special multi-purpose fuel injectors and harness for the ECM hook up. *   A NEW special mounting plate to mount the injectors under the throttle body - an original GM design *   Also a NEW Exhaust Gas Temperature probe and NEW digital readout displays thereof along with of also air fuel ratio, and rpm <<== Heavy Extruded Aluminum finned case for the ECM (unfortunately large though - larger remote flashable unit shown) The price this is offered at will not last long.  There are only two.  (SOLD - special order units are available now) Don't sit by and do the eBay "watch"  while they are sold out from under you.!! Regular price without the 120 AMP DC PWM is $1,999.   The model with the PWM, built in is regularly $2,495.  Contact us ONLY through the bottom link when you fill out the contact information completely, (No P.O. Boxes and do not leave out any information) on the sign up page and if you do one of three things - 1.  Buy a book with consulting, 2.  Buy Engineering with Consulting or  3.  Commit to buying one of the ECM systems itself by actually ordering it, we will get back to you with info on your application scenario and questions that are not answered in one of the books.  If you do not have a GM throttle body application, you MUST buy Engineering  Consulting for this product.  We will do FORD  and other OEM manufacturer products also.  There will be a written application/questionnaire sent to you for more detail also.  We will not respond to plain requests for more information only and will put you instead on the selling blacklist and blocked bidders list on our eBay account.  This is considered, and is, a special order item - so see our information on payment types accepted and why after you fill out the information link below, but in short don't bother us with simple curiosity seeking.  Serious interested and capable buyer inquires only.  No competitor inquires or re-sellers.  Don't contact us if you are "broke" and trying to find a cheaper way to save on fuel.  This item represents a commitment to getting a "working" installation of  an investment in your equipment with a Return On Investment (ROI) of about two to three years usually.  It is transferable to other equipment with permission and we can set it up for you there or upgrade it then - if an upgrade is available at that time. Other vehicle and engine setups are available for almost any kind of engine and vehicle out there.  This is a special order item for YOUR vehicle or engine application and must be installed there on the unit ordered for.  Not for Resale, your or anyone's experimentation or testing, but ONLY for lawful implementation on your specified vehicle or engine or gen set application. This ECM product will let you complete get off a Hydro-carbon fueling system and generate Hydrogen on the fly to power your vehicle or engine if you have the proper Hydrogen generator setup. GM's setup for CNG in the 1980's that used  a dual ecm design on several TBI vehicles ==>> This newly designed ECM will let you control almost any engine in a dual ECM and/or switchable closed loop mode as required by law - and do so using anything from "moonshine" (a.k.a homemade ethanol - a.k.a. "corn liquor") to literally water (with the proper special high energy ignition system - OR a high energy fuel generator for the ECM and fueling system).  Now let it be known and clear  immediately - we are not here to "educate you", for free so do not contact us asking how it works or how it's made or what it is.  We take the VIN number of your vehicle or engine and set it up to the fuel you are going to run in compliance to law.  PERIOD. This one listed here works side by side to your GM ECM switchable and plugs into the same harness at the same point.  The  NEW Oxygen sensor (included) replaces the OEM one you have.  You can switch back to the OEM ECM control at any time or if the new ECM fails.  It has a lifetime exchange and replacement warranty as long as you are in our .WS program.  You also can move it to most other "new" vehicles or to another fuel or fuel bi-fueling combination.  Field adjustments however, which must be done by us remotely through an Internet hook-up and software are additional.  Our deluxe model comes on the fly tunable by us via cell link  - that is not this one however. But as the story goes, as usual the law is in the way, but we cannot and will not break it.  We MUST work with it and under law.  In this way and only  in this way can the product be provided and no one gets in trouble under law.  This ECM is configurable, but NOT by the customer.   It is shipped configured by us for the vehicle or engine and fueling system you are going to use, and can be remotely configured by us by doing a special hook up.  The way the law reads, the OEM is responsible for making sure the vehicle or engine application does not violate the primary original OEM Clean Air Emission Standards.  That means we will normally NOT do esoteric and Hot Rod type installations.  That means we ONLY provide closed loop systems, and that mean we can only license these systems, not sell them.  This also means you cannot tamper with or adjust them yourself.  These items are only licensed to approved low risk customers who want to use them - not reverse assemble them or resell or "review" them or otherwise think they are some kind of journalist to report on them to others in newsgroups or otherwise.  These units are licensed and not sold because by law that is the only lawful way to vend them. <<== You MUST have an ECM and Oxygen (and/or EGT for Diesels) sensor working for it to be a lawful closed loop system Actually, almost EVERY after market item sold for engines violates the Clean Air Act and it's provisions as implemented in many states, and in particular in California under Vehicle Code 27156(c).  CARB - the California Air Resources Board is the "shotgun daddy" that keeps most OEM manufacturers from vending replacement products which change the OEM settings.  Many similar State Air Quality Boards follow their lead.   If a company cannot sell it in California stores - and they do business in California - it's a legal mess for them as a corporation.   For companies that have fleet emission standards - they cannot risk a fine. Sure you don't want to hear this if you are a consumer - and you likely do not care.  You just want cheaper fuel prices and to pass up the pump.  O.K. we hear you - but NO COMPANY is going to sell  product that promotes anarchy and exposes them to product and legal liability.  If you are company - you are hoping and praying someone does something you can actually safely use and legally try.  What you are really not going to want to hear is that these units require a GPS system to assure they are no stolen and disappear after you find out that running your mouth just got it stolen.  Our smart customers keep there mouths shut and comply with our licensing agreement and so nobody really knows who they are.  In fact so many we would not license and vend to accuse us of fraud daily because we will not vend to them.  If you think about it for a minute, nobody is going to just be happy for you and not be jealous enough to just get it from you by stealing it if necessary. You get three of these - one for Air Fuel Ratio, Exhaust Gas Temperature and RPM ==>> This is a pretty large ECM case.  It comes in four flavors with other features in the other formats. there are lots of things available on our web store which is secured and products are priced on the fly according  to the group level of the customer.  There are things on our website online store set at $1,000,000,000 which for the proper customer shows the proper price if they are approved in the group to have it vended to them.  It is available in custom configurations for almost any kind of internal combustion engine out there.  eBay is a great medium, but the shortcoming of it is it really is not set up for special order type products certainly not consulting type scenarios.  Nor is it set up for pre-approval kinds of vended or licensed products and nor is it suited to enforcing contracts that are created by Public Law 106-229 and it's various state counterparts.  This item is available outside of our secured web store, but still a properly completed order including a license is required by law before it ships and that is defined by the FTC at http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/mailorder.shtm Just so we are clear that means you MUST cooperate fully in what we request and comply with it in what we define as a 72 hour time frame to get to a "properly completed order"  This page becomes a part of the contract by P.L. 106-229 There are a LOT of mouths on the Internet all of whom are largely young "rooster type" presences.  None of them that can be found seems to have any advertising of a truly  LEGAL solution for LAW ABIDING American citizens.  They say the solution they spout is legal on their websites and each one is an untruth from someone who does not know what is legal and what is not.  It is not lawful to tamper with or disable the OEM Emission Control system in any way - PERIOD.  We do not do that at all. For instance also none of them mention IFTA.  (http://www.iftach.org/) and (http://www.iftach.org/taxmatrix3/choose_tableq2.php) None of them mention the Federal Highway Administration (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/) and  (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/whoweare/whatwedo.htm) and see also (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/pressroom/re041019.htm)   We are not going to help or provide a product that evades these fuel taxes.  You may not like it - the taxes - but that is the way our system of government works and we are going to comply and help in compliance and enforcement of compliance.  <<==  For instance, do not be fooled by CNG conversion kits like this - they go for about $1,900. This on the left is unlawful in the United States.  It is but one of a group that are not "closed loop" systems.  NO reputable licensed Alternative Fuels installation shop uses these.  They use this kind of system and solution we sell.  These shops DO exist as companies with vehicle fleets - including the US Military and Law Enforcement agencies and Municipal Governments have vehicles either converted or order them from the factory that way to meet their fleet emissions standard.  "The Galileo CNG Kit is not currently EPA or CARB Certified, however we are currently working towards EPA and CARB Certification." says http://www.cngoutfitters.com/  Then you still need about $3,000 more for tanks and labor to install - and STILL it is ILLEGAL.  See among other things CA Vehicle Code 27156(c)!!  Of course you are welcome to go buy one.  There's the link above.  Our system will do about 8 times for you what that one will do and ours is LEGAL without CARB approval.. You may have heard of T. Boone Pickens and his plan to get electrical generating plants on the grid off Natural Gas and Natural Gas into vehicles as a national fuel instead of Gasoline.  He is right in one aspect - however the reality is a gaseous gas fueling infrastructure can only be done in one of two ways - long lines at fueling locations where Natural Gas converted stations are, or by home fueling with devices like "Phil".  Both involve a dangerous transfer of high pressure  (3000 - 3600 PSI) Natural Gas.  This system can operate on pressures well under 60 psi, and does not disable or affect your OEM fueling and emission system in any way.  It's thus lawful. The solution is certainly an on the fly fueling answer, but that brings IFTA and FHWA issues to the forefront.  Now I am not here to sell you a Hydrogen Generator in this ad.  HOWEVER if you want one it can be arranged to get you one of the right size for your application after you are licensed to have a system and are in compliance.   What this ad is about is the fueling system above - the critical all-encompassing needed ECM and fueling system items - that will work with ANY bi-fueling scenario.  So . . . Here is your chance to get someone to show you how to get this done who actually has 35 years of experience actually doing it and designing Hydrogen Generators and using them on engines and vehicles.  I was doing this in 1973 in High School when no one knew what Hydrogen bi-fueling really was all about.   You need to READ this entire page, and read it carefully.  It is the contract that will control what you must do to complete the sale fully.    PERIOD.     When you do the two things above and below, you have then submitted a "properly completed order", I will not help you break the law, and that is that - and that is what believe it or not most buyers actually want.  I am interested in helping you achieve a form of legal energy independence and that can only be done on a case by case basis and eBay and it's messaging system is not to be used for ongoing consulting communications not related to the tangible sale of any item.  Be clear on that right now.  However you need to read this and fully comply - period.     There is nothing free here, and nothing you can sham or scam loose to use to learn how to compete against me in this listing or violate the law and you will be required to agree to such.  This is for private one on one Alternative Fueling solutions for you and you only.  Emissions control laws are very specific and do not think you are immune to law simply because you live, or think you live in a state or region where you do not believe the Clean Air Act laws are enforced by the state in testing emissions or the like.  It is the party who helps or contributes to defeating the emission control systems who is actually liable, and we WILL NOT ASSIST YOU IN DOING THAT.  PERIOD.  So if you want to do something that is Clean Air Act unlawful - usually because it is cheaper you feel, I will not help you. There exists a mini gas generator that is a free flow gas unit that is one inch in diameter and six inches tall in two versions; and can be used in multiples - or that is - ganged together.  It uses typically about 1 amp at 12 volts DC when powered under plain tap water.  The mini generator is a simple lifetime guaranteed low power consumption combined or separated gas Hydrogen generator that will probably put out more free flow Hydrogen - Oxygen gas per minute per volumetric measure of it's size at lower power consumption than most anything else on the "market" if you follow and meet all the requirements to lawfully use it you can get one with a single use coupon for S& H provided your CD.  (that means you cannot make copies of the CD and re-sell or re-distribute them)  On the CD thrown in for FREE with the book will be the 94 page copy of the public domain "Hydrostar" plans and how to get a mini generator for only the $9.95 cost of shipping.  Many "sell" these woefully inadequate Hydrostar plans for $25.00 or more alone.  Also is provided is the actual patent the "Hydrostar" plans are based on - that's why they are only sold as plans - it is unlawful to actually manufacture it as set forth in the patent.  (Neither one works as touted anyway)  This CD also has some other "patented" items listed (the actual USPTO patents) and commentary showing how the design is good or bad, and what you could use from it.  The CD you immediately get depends on if you submit a "properly completed order" and finalize the required account sign ups within seven days so it can ship within eBay's shipping deadline requirements, - if not you get the basic CD first and you can get the extended CD later when you finalize the process to get it.  Later you will be shown how to construct a separated gas version of that Hydrostar (or one can be built for you) and gas generating support system that is WAY, WAY better and SAFER that can be used on a fuel injection system.  Assistance is available and products for lawful turbocharging, supercharging and supplemental fuel injection and bi-fuel injection systems for each specific application on any of the above fuels or combination thereof.   The mini generator puts out between five tenths (.05) to 2.0 cubic inches of gas per minute depending on the feedstock (liquid it's immersed in) it is using.  You'll need to read this and register on our customer relation site to get 4 hours of FREE consulting using the eBay listing number and your user ID.  The "Hydrostar" is for a simple Hydrogen generator PLANS that so many people are selling promoting that say you can run your car on water.  It works - but is dangerous and does not work as well as it could as they lead you on to believe, and not the way the plans say it can work on today's cars.  It will not fully power car on Hydrogen for a variety of reasons that can be explained later.  You'll be shown you how to build a better system that lasts and is easier to maintain.  (Did you think about what happens in climates where it freezes overnight)  You also get  IMMEDIATE tracked and managed support on consulting and assistance at getting your vehicle or engine application running as you seek to. FORD'S PRODUCTION HYDROGEN, YES -  SUPERCHARGED - V-10 TRITON ==>> It's time for some straight, scientific, truthful talk about rising Gas Prices and how to save money on your vehicular transportation or other stationary engine operation.  It does not matter if the engine is Gas or Diesel powered, though the implementation is a bit different for each.  LOTS of homemade "hobbyist" Hydrogen Generators are appearing everywhere and are all being passed off by various names.  Most all of them will either fail or be ineffective in relation to their size within six months or less. NONE of them will work for long.  You see electrolysis works by the same process also known as "electroplating" and in that process - unless the design is proper to an electrically neutral design, electrical erosion occurs on the electrodes, the same way the chrome leaves one electrode and moves to the bumper you are "electro"- plating.  "Google" how electroplating works if you do not believe. I have been working with on the fly Hydrogen bi-fueling as a form of powering vehicles since 1973.  I have worked with alternative fueling using CNG and Propane.  I have several patents pending on my items.  I studied Chemistry and Technical Aeronautics beginning with an immersion program in a Technical and Trade High School - and I graduated way back in 1973, so I have been doing this for a while with vehicles.  I studied Engineering and Law in college. I have been at this way longer than most people have ever thought of this as a viable use in vehicles - until fuel prices went out of our world - or have hung out on a "newsgroup" to learn how to make a simple hydrogen generator that is going to last maybe six months - if that; and not reliably. <<== THE OLD WAY TO PROPANE OR CNG POWER A VEHICLE (NOT LEGAL TODAY) ABOUT ME -- I currently have a dual ECM (OEM ECM and with also a Custom ECM) twin turbocharged GM Small Block V-8 fuel injected variable boost (up to 29 psi), vehicle which runs on Ethanol, CNG, Propane, Gasoline and any mix thereof on the fly and/or a combination of Propane and Hydrogen - a gas mixture commercially known by the trade name "Hythane".  It is completely street legal and has 2001 legal emission limits - though it is exempt from emissions testing.  It has lots of horsepower, but that is not why I built the engine system in it.  If you know anything truly about Gasoline powered vehicles you would immediately know why.  I can tell you a lot of engineering related reasons why the automakers are shy to adopt an on the fly Hydrogen powered vehicle, but I'll give you hint that Ford's upcoming "Eco-Boost" engine is a BIG leap to towards being able to run a small OEM engine easily switching it to Hydrogen for fueling.  Ford is leading the way with Hydrogen powered Internal Combustion Engine technology and has a V-10 Triton hydrogen production engine right now they put in Airport Shuttle buses where Ultra Low Emission engines are a requirement.  GM is running behind - and just announced they were going to close plants because they are now just seeing the light and do not have a replacement for the GM V8 to answer high fuel use.  It is not that you can't get a Chevy 305 to 350 (5.0 to 5.7 liter)  to run on Hydrogen - it is just that it will consume a lot of fuel per hour in so doing and must be a boosted (turbo or super charged) engine to use the fuel.  There's no space on most vehicles for the support systems to do that. IT WAS ONCE A SIMPLE UN-COMPLICATED WAY TO GET THIS WORK "BEFORE"==>> I have sort of become irritated at all the parties selling something they found on a Yahoo newsgroup like they know what they are doing and now they are running an "energy business".   First the products they are selling are illegal, and second for what you pay, the return on investment (ROI) is not going to be worth the trouble AND you will end up with repair or parts costs that may well hurt.  Third if they are not complying with the FTC requirements on sales of "Energy and Fuel Saving Devices" for vehicles; they are in violation of law.  So let me do some "Myth busting"  POWERING A VEHICLE IS A "BTU" EQUATION AND NOT MUCH MORE Let's talk about a basic unfaltering, unwaivering rule of physics.  Transportation - ALL transportation is a BTU (a.k.a calorie) equation.  That is to say, it is going to take a given amount of energy to move any item of a given weight over a fixed distance.  In people we measure this in calories burned when we are trying to loose weight usually.  It takes more energy to move an obese person walking or running than a small child uses running about.   In vehicles we call it "miles per gallon" which is a fancy way to say that Gasoline is about 130,000 BTU per gallon, so it takes XX amount of BTU to propel an average 3,000 pound vehicle so many miles down a road.  (More going uphill and into the wind, less going down or sailing with your back to the wind) This reality as a mathematics equation will not change and you cannot change the dollars per gallon equation unless you are buying or using a substantially cheaper fuel of some kind or of higher energy content that the vehicle is designed to, and can run on.  That "cheaper fuel" would be Hydrogen made on the fly AND properly metered for the engine to use so as to NOT increase emissions.  It is only legal to do if you do not tamper with, modify or defeat the OEM emission control system AND your efforts whatever they are do not increase the emissions from what they were from the OEM version of the vehicle.  Otherwise - it is illegal no matter what you might think. <<== FORD'S ECO-BOOST ENGINE DESIGN - TWIN VALVE, TURBOCHARGED AND DIRECT INJECTED  (shown as fuel injector left - spark plug on top) EcoBoost "affordable engine technology" uses gasoline turbocharged direct injection to improve fuel economy and cut emissions. It's a high-volume solution to rising CAFE standards and will be on a half-million Ford and Lincoln products by 2013. (Photo left above courtesy of Ford Motor Company)  It is basically the design of a Diesel engine with a spark plug and that is the design of which what a Hydrogen fueled engine needs to safely run.  It can be high compression and directly inject Hydrogen so the intake and crankcase fires will be minimized.  Yes - you read me correctly, Intake and Crankcase - ONGOING - fires.  It shows up on a V-8 as a big "coke" pile up of crusty burned oil in the lifter valley and it only takes a few months to get there.  And I mean a sizable one - like full.  It won't stop the engine from operating, but it is a nasty problem.  Hydrogen gets past rings easily into the crankcase.  If anyone had really any experience in this field with building and tear down of Hydrogen powered engines, they would be able to tell you that and know about it.  I do. PEOPLE CANNOT JUST MAKE UP SCIENCE NOTATION - BUT ON THE INTERNET, GEE, THEY CERTAINLY DO That  being said, let me jump to the issue of the so called "HHO" generators everyone is calling a new discovery and selling.  These are simple mixed gas non-metered free flow Hydrogen Generators.  They feed gas like a rock on an accelerator pedal, but do not make enough gas to really harm engine acceleration or idle speed.   Can you figure out what is wrong with that picture?  Exactly - they do not make enough gas to be meaningful to power a vehicle.  First there is no such thing as "HHO" as a chemical molecule.  Hydrogen is a diatomic element - meaning it always occurs commonly in nature in pairs - anyone with an education in chemistry and good sense knows Hydrogen is always written H2    True, it is represented by the symbol H., but since it is diatomic is always written H2.  At standard temperature and pressure, hydrogen is a colorless, odorless, nonmetallic, tasteless, highly flammable BUT diatomic gas with the molecular formula written as H2.  This is how you will find it notated on EVERY periodic table of the elements.  These are thus H2 and O2 generators NOT "HHO".  2H2O(aq) → 2H2(g) + O2(g) A monotonic element of Hydrogen does not exist in nature thus HHO - is just some "Yahoo's" writing of something that was repeated from some other "Yahoo" who did not know what they were talking about.  There are two states of diatomic Hydrogen - para and ortho - but that is not relevant here.  There is a version of Hydrogen that is called Heavy hydrogen, also known as Deuterium and occurs in trace amounts naturally as deuterium gas, written ²H2 or D2 and it is actually so unstable you will not find it easily on Earth naturally occurring.  Deuterium is frequently represented by the chemical symbol D. Since it is an isotope of hydrogen with mass number 2, it is also represented by ²H.  Deuterium occurs in trace amounts naturally as deuterium gas, written ²H2 or D2, but its most natural occurrence in the universe is bonded with a typical ¹H atom, a gas called hydrogen deuteride (HD or ¹H²H).   The science community allows notation of it as both D and ²H, although ²H is preferred.  I write this so you can see where the notation "HHO" likely was invented from - is NOT the same as ¹H²H.  In science and chemistry, there is no such thing as "HHO".  It is something someone spoke out to in an email to describe the separation of water H2O from a liquid into H2 and O2 as gases and the email did not support the superscripts - so they got dropped.  2H2O(aq) → 2H2(g) + O2(g) FORD'S FULLY HYDROGEN POWERED (Tank fueled)  SHUTTLE BUS ==>> I write this to make clear that certain elements in nature MUST behave in certain ways, and that is just that.  H2O - that is "water" - as a liquid is not flammable, but separated H2 is highly flammable in the presence of O2 - that which you just made separated them from each other. Both are unstable in that form and have a desire to re-bond into the more stable form we know of as "water".  Add a little heat or spark - and val la - they will recombine releasing much more energy as heat in the process.  Hence the "HHO" generators are all dangerous if the gas is under pressure or there is space for it to congregate under pressure.  The slightest heat, spark or static electricity charge will set off the gas if it is combined or has space to light off and it has Oxygen in it. PROPERLY RUNNING AN ENGINE ON HYDROGEN Why write this?  Well because it is to prove that separated gas generators are much safer and the way to go when one has to operate a fuel injection system that must be under pressure for the injector(s) to work.  They are also more expensive and harder to build - but they are needed for true custom fuel injection systems that I make and that todays engines require to truly work with the Engine Control Module or Unit (ECM or ECU) and thus to be LEGAL.  I have found no one that makes and sells one - but me.  The other thing is that the ideal air fuel ratio for Hydrogen is 32 to 34 to 1.  Almost no oxygen sensor can really accurately read that with Hydrogen and almost no ECM or ECU is ready to control an engine in that air fuel ratio range.  The range is 14.7 to 1 for gasoline.  You will need this custom ECM/ECU programed properly to let the engine run legally and properly on Hydrogen truly.  There are legal ways to do all of this, and cheaper than you think that many people are paying for just ONE of these Internet copy "HHO" generator units today. Now most people are not going to read this far unless you are really serious about saving fuel - the only way to do that is to MAKE IT on the fly.  That's what I do under license to a company that has given me an exclusive sales right.  In the end it will not be "cheap" however, and that depends on your skill and the vehicle you drive.  You'll need to do a lot of driving to justify a quick ROI, but at today's prices you can get an ROI in few tank fulls of gas in an SUV. <<== NO EXPENSIVE CNG TANKS TO BUY OR MOUNT (THEY COULD BE USED FOR HYDROGEN TOO) This includes 4 hours of consulting by email via a Help Ticket system to help you get the item installed.  You get a customer account and affiliate sign up with special licensing terms so you can help your friends share in this technological offer until AFTER the sale.  When people ask you about this science, you can give them a card with your affiliate number on it, and if they buy you will get affiliate credit AFTER you first complete this sale.  You can also give them a special coupon number for to share a small part of the revenue of future sales also.  So long as you are a registered member in good standing, the mini generator and all items vended to you are serviceable for life as part of your membership.  Call it "AAA" roadside assistance for fueling systems. WHY DO IT THIS WAY? Well, because there is no "one size fits all" when building and troubleshooting gaseous gas fuel injection systems and modifications to them.  When bi-fueling a vehicle or stationary engine, the only lawful way to do it is with a closed loop ECM / ECU type system that does not tamper with or defeat the existing OEM system.   This is why there is CARB and the EPA (the mixer above on the carburetor is an example of what is NOT a closed loop system) to make sure an item is initially manufactured in an acceptable air quality emission standard.  The law however - while has not changed - does allow alternative fueling of engines ONLY if OEM emissions do not increase and you can prove it as so.  These "HHO" generators often - and can only - increase emissions because they are not "closed loop systems" hence all the unlawful products designed behind them to defeat and "trick" the Oxygen sensor's duty and role.  This is what makes them unlawful.   However efforts made which do not defeat the vehicle's set emissions standard or tamper with the OEM emissions system are allowed.  This is a feature in the law commonly known as the California Greenhouse Gas emission law which came into existence in 2006 as an Executive Order by Gov. Schwarzenegger and is honored by all CA State agencies and not challenged anymore by the US EPA or any states nationwide as far is known.. (there was a lawsuit that went all the way to the US Supreme Court that California won that says the implementation of the Greenhouse Gas law is lawful so long as it does not affect other laws)  Thus I am here for you to consult with you on how to do this for your application lawfully.  There are publications - true scientific publications and extra CD products that can vended that show and explain how to correctly do this.  Most are hard to find and cannot - and did not - initially address Hydrogen or bi-fueling.   The consulting is based on email consulting for one minute for every six words incoming and six minutes for every ten words in reply at forty five dollars per hour.  When the four hours is exhausted you can buy more hours or just stop.  You can get more consulting time with extra item purchases.  If you are a hard head and want to do this your way, or another way, or through a newsgroup gang, this is not the place for you to be or product for you to buy.  I will not help you.  To manage all of the customers a help ticket and live chat system is used, for your specific account and you must be signed up on it.  eBay has no such thing, and frankly never will as it is not set up for consulting but only tangible goods sales.   Most all of the items vended come with a minimum of two hours free consulting. FINALLY, and most importantly, if you do not complete the on line consulting sign up page, you have not submitted a full properly completed order.  For the legal definition of what a "properly completed order" is, visit http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/mailorder.shtm and search the document for "properly completed order".   What you are buying is based on the assumption you can properly complete the order ahead of time and submit the required project information you seek in the format on the customer relations database sign up page as this listing shows is required.    Follow the instructions below carefully On the next page,  use this link for more information and to sign up for your consulting.   You cannot purchase anything at the information and sign up site, and ebay policy requires this.   USE YOUR EBAY HANDLE I.D. IN THE FIELD MARKED  "Part or Reference number" and put the eBay listing (auction) number in the space marked "To be used in (type of market or business)".   Fill out the Inquiry form fully and PRESS "Submit" button only ONCE and sign up here only ONCE.  This info is needed to prepare your CD after you buy one of the items.  This will populate your info into the customer relations database -  but not the ticket support system however.  DO NOT USE THE "ASK SELLER A QUESTION", as button it may get you simply added to the blocked bidder's list. (I do not have patience for stupid or rude questions or run a rounds to waste my time to try to get something for free)  Found there thereafter the sign up page, you will be sent to a bonus info page before coming back to eBay where you find also some comparisons to some of the more ridiculous "HHO" type systems for sale around the Internet and what they are really made of and why they are weak or will fail soon.  It is a "living document" and some found there are listed on Ebay.  It is an "electrolysis junkyard" information expose' website page.  Franky if you cannot follow instructions or understand from this listing why this is done this way, I would rather know now - and not be bothered any further.  So if after reading this you do not believe I am qualified or know what I am talking about, then move on and forget about this ad.  I am not going to argue with you but simply ignore you.  I have this working and have been doing this since 1973. BACK OF ONE OF OUR BOOKS ==>> Processing is initiated as soon as notice of payment is received.   Consulting charges begin at the time of initial CONTACT for all communications - even those where you continue to fail to comply with the listing terms above, so do not waste your consulting time with needless questions or failing to read something already set forth in the ad as to how to comply and move forward.  On the consulting sign up page you enter your vehicle VIN so it can be known how to best direct and help you in your specific application as set forth in the above terms.  You can save lots of money on fuel and do it LAWFULLY - as that is the only way you will be assisted in doing it through this purchase.  If you are an International buyer, any and all laws, duties, taxes, tariffs and other laws of your country will apply to you and you will be responsible for them completely beyond the basic shipping.  PERIOD, no exceptions. This is your chance to dump the pump forever.  Be advised however, many mechanics lack the skill to install this, many will understand they would risk their mechanics license by installing this - not because it is unlawful, but because they are NOT licensed by the EPA to do such installations and perform the required verification to OEM emissions level  comparison and certification required after the installation. HOWEVER, if YOU can find your ECM, and your Oxygen Sensor and unplug two plugs and plug-in two more, and find your way to a muffler shop to have a screw on bung welded on (most shops with do this with no problem) and then screw the EGT sensor in, and then unscrew three screws and lift your throttle body and slide our special  injector plate underneath - then you can put this system on.  The fueling system is up to you - however we have a simple solution for that also.  It will come ready to turn the key and start for your vehicle or engine based the fuel you want to use or bi-fuel with. Place a Bid!